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[gabayeah]

Good job Evelyn!

 

If you encounter difficulties, give EFT a try. It's a simple technique that's very efficient for the addiction, the cravings, nervousness and the habits associated with smoking. No side effects, you can do it yourself or do a session with a therapist (usually once is enough). ;-)

[PorkandPancakes]

Good job Evelyn!

 

If you encounter difficulties, give EFT a try. It's a simple technique that's very efficient for the addiction, the cravings, nervousness and the habits associated with smoking. No side effects, you can do it yourself or do a session with a therapist (usually once is enough). ;-)

Gabayeah, it sounds like a sales pitch! Is there actually a person behind your posts that is looking to join our community or are you just looking to sell a product/process? Forgive my bluntness but I find it best to ask these things outright.

[gabayeah]

PorkandPancakes

 

EFT is a free tool available to all. Although getting a therapist's help is efficient, it's not a necessity and anybody can learn and apply it quite easily, even a child.. I hope that answers your question.

[Evelyn]

Go troll outside my topic

[PorkandPancakes]

PorkandPancakes

 

EFT is a free tool available to all. Although getting a therapist's help is efficient, it's not a necessity and anybody can learn and apply it quite easily, even a child.. I hope that answers your question.

not really. Why are you here posting? What to do you hope to get from this forum? Do you come for support or to offer such? When did you quit smoking?

[gabayeah]

not really. Why are you here posting? What to do you hope to get from this forum? Do you come for support or to offer such? When did you quit smoking? 

 

I quit smoking over 2 years ago. I tried and failed a few times before that, until I discovered a great simple tool that made quitting much easier so I thought I could share that info with others having a hard time quitting. That's why I came to the forum and posted. Now, I see that my help isn't appreciated. I guess you've had bad experiences before, although I thought that helping/passing on infos was the whole point of a forum... Best wishes anyway.

[PorkandPancakes]

Gaba

 

Please don't take misunderstand me. If you are here to be a part of the community then I apologise wholeheartedly for getting the wrong end of the stick. Whilst we all offer advice and suggestions on how best to quit, it's is widely acknowledged that we are all different and we all have our own way to quit.

 

It seems from your posts thus far that you are undermining the struggles that some people have endured to quit. Now, I actually consider that I had a pretty easy quit though there were challenging moments. But some have fought harder to earn their quits.

 

Anyway, that's just my thoughts. You are more than welcome to post on the boards and join the community and others probably don't feel the same as me. I feel somewhat overprotective of this little board as it has such a warm and cosy vibe and it means a lot to me.

[gabayeah]

PorkandPancakes

 

I don't wish to undermine anybody's struggles, I've experienced them myself before. I'm saying that another way exists that doesn't involve nearly as much struggle or suffering, that I've used it and that it's very efficient and deals with the issue in a way that willpower doesn't achieve. Furthermore, it's free and accessible to all. To me, this sounds like good news and I'm surprised that anybody would feel threatened in any way.

[Sazerac]

The way this was done, gabayeah, was highly suspicious.

Instead of introducing yourself and letting us learn about you and your quit, 

you jumped right into the posts of two of our most vulnerable members.

Red flags came up for me and others.

 

This may be a case of shooting the messenger 

but, we are protective of each other.

That is how it should be.

Sorry if feathers were ruffled,

please take the time and introduce yourself if you decide to stay.

There are many paths to the center.

S

 

edited to add:

Apologies to Evelyn that her thread was gangstered.

[gabayeah]

Sazerac

 

Well, I guess, you're right about this. Sorry if I was insensitive and sorry to Evelyn also. I'm Joey, I quit a little over 2 years ago after smoking a pack and a half for almost 30 years. I tried to quit a couple of times before and experienced great stress, cravings, burst of unwanted energy etc. Each time, I tricked myself back into smoking quite quickly afterwards. Then and by chance I encountered this EFT method which consists of tapping acupuncture points with the fingers while repeating a phrase related to the issue. I had a session with a therapist where we tapped on every aspects (addiction, cravings, habits...) and then I just followed some simple instructions he gave me. I experienced hardly any stress or cravings and this time cigarettes were not all I could think about. Even with other smokers around, I was fine. I haven't smoked or wished to smoke since. I'm not going to bore you with any more details, if you want to know anything more you can ask me, I'll be happy to share what I can.

[Doreensfree]

Hi Joey..

Congrats on your fabulous quit...

I am a firm believer all roads lead to Rome...so well done....but...

I can understand why PP...thought it was a troll...and we do get very protective of our friends here...

If you wish to stick around ,and help others that are here... Or may follow...we are pleased to have you in this wonderful place...

[MarylandQuitter]

Good job Evelyn!

 

If you encounter difficulties, give EFT a try. It's a simple technique that's very efficient for the addiction, the cravings, nervousness and the habits associated with smoking. No side effects, you can do it yourself or do a session with a therapist (usually once is enough). ;-)

 

 

PorkandPancakes

 

EFT is a free tool available to all. Although getting a therapist's help is efficient, it's not a necessity and anybody can learn and apply it quite easily, even a child.. I hope that answers your question.

 

 

 

not really. Why are you here posting? What to do you hope to get from this forum? Do you come for support or to offer such? When did you quit smoking? 

 

I quit smoking over 2 years ago. I tried and failed a few times before that, until I discovered a great simple tool that made quitting much easier so I thought I could share that info with others having a hard time quitting. That's why I came to the forum and posted. Now, I see that my help isn't appreciated. I guess you've had bad experiences before, although I thought that helping/passing on infos was the whole point of a forum... Best wishes anyway.

 

 

PorkandPancakes

 

I don't wish to undermine anybody's struggles, I've experienced them myself before. I'm saying that another way exists that doesn't involve nearly as much struggle or suffering, that I've used it and that it's very efficient and deals with the issue in a way that willpower doesn't achieve. Furthermore, it's free and accessible to all. To me, this sounds like good news and I'm surprised that anybody would feel threatened in any way.

 

 

You know what else is free?  NTAP!  Never take another puff.  Nobody needs to use the a placebo effect like EFT as they have access to the real cure, don't ever take another puff.  You see, quitting smoking can be uncomfortable at the beginning - big deal, we're all used to the feeling of being uncomfortable.  Those of my generation and before, learned that being uncomfortable is just a part of life.  

 

Folks, you don't need a trick to quit. NRT works well for some so long as the goal is to get off of nicotine completely and to stay that way.  Medications work for some while for others they don't.  If you use NRT or medication you're eventually going to have to go through withdrawal and with meds you will 20 minutes after you take your last puff.  There is no science to EFT, yet it is presented as such.

 

The problem that I have with this sort of thing is that gives the smoker the impression that they have little to no control over quitting smoking.  With NRT or medications they are at least backed up with clinical trials and scientific data, which by the way both have lower success rates than those who quit using the cold turkey method.  Make no mistake, in the end it's you on your own keeping your commitment to never take another puff.  When a smoker feels they are fighting something that they cannot win on their own, it gives an excuse to relapse, which there truly isn't any excuse to do so.  Relapse is serious and it's not something that I play patty-cake about.  This is life or death and there is no way I would ever condone somebody feeling quitting is just too hard or out of their control because of some strong force that is just too great without the use of unscientific or proven methods to quit.  Our methods are proven, EFT is not and is not something that I could ever stand behind because it makes a mountain out of molehill. 

 

Learning about nicotine addiction is hands down going to blow away EFT and it's peculiar methods.  EFT may work for some things, I don't know, but as far as quitting smoking, we have a much faster and lasting method here at QuitTrain, NOPE.  It is completely free and you don't have to confuse the process and literally wait on "pin and needles" to quit smoking.  It's not going to make anything easier, certainly not withdrawals; it's something every smoker has to face and deal with.  Some have them worse than others but sooner than later, the withdrawals are a thing of past and so too are the cravings to inhale nicotine.

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Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) is a form of counseling intervention that draws on various theories of alternative medicine including acupuncture, neuro-linguistic programming, energy medicine, and Thought Field Therapy (TFT). It is best known through Gary Craig's EFT Handbook, published in the late 1990s, and related books and workshops by a variety of teachers. EFT and similar techniques are often discussed under the umbrella term "energy psychology".

 

Advocates claim that the technique may be used to treat a wide variety of physical and psychological disorders, and as a simple form of self-administered therapy.^[1] The Skeptical Inquirer describes the foundations of EFT as "a hodgepodge of concepts derived from a variety of sources [primarily] the ancient Chinese philosophy of chi, which is thought to be the 'life force' that flows throughout the body." The existence of this life force is "not empirically supported".^[2]

EFT has no benefit as a therapy beyond the placebo effect or any known-effective psychological techniques that may be provided in addition to the purported "energy" technique.^[3] It is generally characterized as pseudoscience and has not garnered significant support in clinical psychology.

[Evelyn]

If EFT could fix my frigging life with oneone talk with a psych and no more smoking... Yeah. Dream on.

The same as "let's Pray it away..." no magic no lies..

[gabayeah]

MarylandQuitter

 

​You obviously have no idea what EFT is.  Since it's free, available and harmless, why not try it and then post an informed opinion? At worst, as you say it's only placebo, right?

 

Placebo is by the way a wonderful thing as it gives the same results as the "real thing" with no drugs or side effects.

Is there any glory in suffering?

Personally, I tried both ways of quitting so I talk about it from experience not hearsay. 

 

Anything ever achieved was first dreamed of :-)

[El Bandito]

Hey Joey

 

Congratulations on your quit.

 

As you may note - folk here can be quite defensive of the forum, which is run by quitters for quitters. 

 

MQ made some detailed, thoughtful arguments. I think it unlikely that he will try EFT, he has already quit.

 

What do you think EFT offers over the methods MQ suggests?

[gabayeah]

Thanks Stuart,

 

Yes, I can see some are very defensive... Sazerac was saying it might be a case of shooting the messenger, but in general the messenger gets shot for bringing bad news, not good ones.

 

Actually, some of the points that MQ was making is exactly why this method is good. A control over your cravings, emotions and habits on a very deep level, the subconscious. Acupuncture has been used in Asia for millenniums, way before Western medicine appeared and EFT uses the same energy points, so there is a strong scientific basis. The fact that it's a DIY method and does without any prescription does not make it particularly popular with the pharmaceutical industry however, so it's no surprise if it gets a bad press from "scientists".

When you use EFT correctly, you tackle the actual addiction, the habits associated with smoking and your emotional reactions. You don't just put the problems on standby as you do when using drugs, you actually get rid of them. You're still quitting cold turkey, you still have to take the decision to quit, but it's a lot less stressful and remaining a non-smoker also. When I quit in the past, it was very difficult to be around smokers and not be obsessed by cigarettes, today I'm indifferent to it.

[El Bandito]

I would be careful confusing science and the pharmaceutical industry. 

 

Science will tell you that if you stop taking nicotine, you will cease to be addicted to it.

 

Science will tell you that if you consciously disassociate smoking from your normal routines, then they will remain disassociated.

 

Industries - of any type will look to make money. That's why they exist.

 

If energy points work - fantastic. Your experience would indicate it works for you. I would also point out that stopping putting things in my mouth and setting fire to them worked for me.

 

All good.

[gabayeah]

Yes, my experience also involves stopping putting things in my mouth and setting fire to them :-)

 

I wrote "scientists" to make a distinction. Unfortunately it's the industry that finances the research and the publications.

 

MO's info is from wikipedia...

[PorkandPancakes]

It is my understanding that there is no scientific evidence that acupuncture and/or pressure points work to alleviate symptoms though plenty of anecdotal evidence. I don't know enough to argue either way and if EFT is a method that helped you then why not?

 

Where I personally have a problem is that EFT is, at best, just another support tool. Another method to aid us but in the end it comes down to the same thing. There is no magic pill. Eventually every successful quitter will realise smoking has nothing to offer and we CHOOSE not to smoke. We haven't all just 'shelved our issues' nor are we all struggling along because we didn't use EFT. Many of us are happy successful quitters and many more are working their own way to get there.

 

If you wish to promote EFT as a useful aid, another tool in the kit, so to speak, then I am all for that. I will never agree however that it is THE ANSWER to quitting. The key to quitting forever truly is as simple as NTAP. Never take another puff. Our attitude, our desires etc will catch up with that way of thinking soon enough.

[gabayeah]

PorkandPancakes

 

Of course. I totally agree with you, we choose to smoke or not smoke. EFT doesn't make us do what we don't want to do. It's a tool, a technique and that's how I presented it. The only thing I claim is that it's very efficient and really helps with the stress, cravings and getting rid of habits. It doesn't come with a magic wand and you must apply it correctly if you want it to work well, which is why I did have a session with a professional at first, before I got the hang of it.

As far as scientific evidence for acupuncture, Asia has plenty, about 3000 years of it. Maybe the western world would have also if it decided to study it rather than deride it. My daughter once had a liver problem and turned yellow and looking like a blowfish. A Japanese acupunctor took care of it with one session. Of course, the fact that it involves no drugs doesn't make it appealing to our profit dominated medical industry. 

[MarylandQuitter]

MarylandQuitter

 

​You obviously have no idea what EFT is.  Since it's free, available and harmless, why not try it and then post an informed opinion? At worst, as you say it's only placebo, right?

 

Placebo is by the way a wonderful thing as it gives the same results as the "real thing" with no drugs or side effects.

Is there any glory in suffering?

Personally, I tried both ways of quitting so I talk about it from experience not hearsay. 

 

Anything ever achieved was first dreamed of :-)

 

 

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.  Evelyn said it best; "No ******* nicotine, no smoking or vaping".  That is all that needs to be done and that is to take non-action and don't smoke.  If you want to toss a toad over your right shoulder at midnight in some cemetery to help you quit smoking, I'll provide you the toad.  However, you seem to be really be pushing this EFT here and also elsewhere so it leads me to believe that you have an agenda or than offering support here.  I do not believe that all these different facets that make up EFT will remove cravings whether in aggregate or alone.  When I saw your first post I almost flagged you as a spammer but figured I would give it some time.

 

Until you can show real data showing success rates vs. relapse rates, it means nothing as our methods here do have data to support them.  There is no glory sucking on an oxygen tube or not being able to breath, but there is value in dealing with withdrawal cravings and remaining smoke-free without the use of something that promises to alleviate all of the uncomfortable (yet temporary) issues when it comes to quitting nicotine.

 

I think I'll pass on the EFT because I've already quit, in case you haven't noticed.

[Evelyn]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.  Evelyn said it best; "No ******* nicotine, no smoking or vaping".  That is all that needs to be done and that is to take non-action and don't smoke.  If you want to toss a toad over your right shoulder at midnight in some cemetery to help you quit smoking, I'll provide you the toad.  However, you seem to be really be pushing this EFT here and also elsewhere so it leads me to believe that you have an agenda or than offering support here.  I do not believe that all these different facets that make up EFT will remove cravings whether in aggregate or alone.  When I saw your first post I almost flagged you as a spammer but figured I would give it some time.

 

Until you can show real data showing success rates vs. relapse rates, it means nothing as our methods here do have data to support them.  There is no glory sucking on an oxygen tube or not being able to breath, but there is value in dealing with withdrawal cravings and remaining smoke-free without the use of something that promises to alleviate all of the uncomfortable (yet temporary) issues when it comes to quitting nicotine.

 

I think I'll pass on the EFT because I've already quit, in case you haven't noticed.

 

Me too, quit with the f*cking nicotine, no smoking, vaping or NRT it will only keep you in withdrawls

But your reply MQ makes me ROFL