Proposed anti smoking law needs your help

[License2Quit]

Hi, I'm working on a project to promote a new piece of legislation designed to help the quitters.  Our legislation proposes that a ‘non-smoking registry’ be created and those individuals who join the registry will no longer be allowed to purchase tobacco products.

 

Our idea is slowly gaining some traction, but it is in it's infancy and needs visibility and support to have a chance.   If you are interested to learn more, check it out here:

 

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-save-440-000-lives-this-year/x/4169381#home

 

Please feel free to provide feedback.

 

-Matt

[sgt.barney]

"When your response to everything that is wrong with the world is to say, 'there ought to be a law,' you are saying that you hold freedom very cheap." -- Thomas Sowell

 

 

 

Stupid idea is stupid.

 

There's your requested feedback.

 

 

 

 

Easy Peasy

[License2Quit]

Yes, things are easy peasy when not given due consideration. 

 

In reply to the small amount of meat in your message:

 

1.  This law does not infringe on anybody's freedom.  It's a voluntary registry for those wishing to stop smoking.   

[sgt.barney]

Yes, things are easy peasy when not given due consideration.

 

In reply to small amount of meat in your message:

 

1. This law does not infringe on anybody's freedom. It's a voluntary registry for those wishing to stop smoking.

 

Illogical argument is illogical.

 

For the logically challenged: It infringes on my right, as a convenience store owner[1], to sell cigarettes to any adult I dammed well please.

 

Go away. We don't take kindly to spammers here.

 

 

Easy Peasy

 

 

FOOTNOTES

[1] Assuming The Sarge still was one ... which he isn't ... but he was ...

 

 

 

EDIT: words are hard.

[License2Quit]

I agree that it is your right to sell cigarettes.  Though I also believe the right thing to do is to not sell to someone who wishes to stop smoking, but cannot.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like most people can agree with that piece of logic.  License2Quit is my attempt at a solution. 

 

The strength of our will power vs the strength of addiction is not an individual choice.  Many of us reading this forum wish to quit but never will.  Your 'right' to sell us cigarettes and our inability to say no will send many of us to a premature death.  License2Quit lets us say:  'Please don't sell me cigarettes. I'm trying to stop'

 

Just a novel Idea, not spam.  

[sgt.barney]

So ... f_ck freedom, then, right?

 

Throw freedom under the Ignore Personal Responsibility bus, right?

 

Quitting is ABSOLUTELY a choice.

 

 

The Sarge says again: stupid idea is stupid.

 

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You're requesting money and it is unsolicited/un-asked-for by the members of this forum.

 

In exactly the same way that an active addict denies addiction, the active spammer denies spam.

 

Keep it up.

 

See how far it gets you.

 

 

 

 

Easy Peasy

[License2Quit]

EasyP, I honestly don't understand your whole bit about freedom.  The registry Idea does not remove personal choice, it just gives you another option if you feel you need it.  Currently you have the choice to smoke or not to smoke.  These choices are still available, I'm just purposing we add a third:  a non-smoking registry which allows you to give up your right to lawfully purchase tobacco. 

 

"Quitting is ABSOLUTELY a choice" >>> Half of our nations smokers tried to quit and failed last year.  Simplify that matter if you want to, but it's a bit more complex then just a matter of simple choice.  If smoking is just a matter choice, nicotine patches wouldn't be a billion dollar industry.  How many of the ~400,000 people that died last year from smoking wanted to escape addiction, but were incapable of it?  My guess is most of them.  It's not just a choice like any other choice, it's a choice to enter into a battle with addiction as our opponent. Unfortunately for many of us here, addiction often wins.  

 

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Maybe I am a spammer in denial, but I created this organization not to make money, but to try to do something to help the tens millions of people who tried and failed at quitting last year. I thought this a relevant place to post such a campaign.

 

I'll check back in next week and tell you how I'm doing.  

[El Bandito]

Matt.

 

In terms of feedback, admirable motives, but in my opinion, an expensive and ineffective measure.

 

1. I began smoking at 13. The fact that it was illegal to buy cigarettes had precisely zero impact on my habit.

2. In my experience, quitting is about not wanting to smoke more than you want to smoke. While I understand that making a commitment is helpful, if while quitting the desire to smoke becomes stronger than the desire not to, then the addict will bum a cigarette.

3. I would be concerned about the peripheral use of the data. How would an insurer view an applicant with a 'no permission to buy' symbol versus an applicant without one?

 

I am not sure that this is the right place to reach out for funding - but ultimately that is not my call.

[MarylandQuitter]

 Many of us reading this forum wish to quit but never will.  Your 'right' to sell us cigarettes and our inability to say no will send many of us to a premature death.  License2Quit lets us say:  'Please don't sell me cigarettes. I'm trying to stop'

 

 

There are more ex-smokers than there are smokers.  There is no inability to say no to smoking.  Anybody can quit, can do so instantly and can stay that way all by way of making a firm decision to quit.

 

The right to sell cigarettes does not send anybody to an early death.  The smoker puffing on a smoke does that.  Guess what?  Before 7-11's dotted the landscape, people grew their own tobacco or bought it from their neighbor who grew it or they traded some pelts to get their baccy.

 

The onus is on the individual to quit.  Besides, "please don't sell me cigarettes" isn't going to stop anybody from smoking.  It's much more involved than that.

 

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