caffeine withdrawal

[Sazerac]

I'll be writing more about caffeine withdrawal in the coming days.

Now on my third day and it is gnarly.

 

Top 15 Caffeine Withdrawal Symptoms

 

 

Headache
 

Sleepiness
 

Irritability
 

Lethargy
 

Constipation
 

Depression
 

Muscle Pain, Stiffness, Cramping
 

Lack of Concentration
 

Flu-like symptoms

 

Insomnia
 

Nausea and Vomiting
 

Anxiety
 

Brain Fog
 

Dizziness
 

Heart Rhythm Abnormalities Both low blood pressure and even palpitations have been reported.

[notsmokinjo]

Oh you brave little duck Saz. You ca do this. I will be watching keenly to see if I can am as brave.

 

Having a glass of tonic water once a day can help with the muscle cramping... its the quinine.

 

 

[Wee fluffy me]

Mmmm interesting.. Symptoms  mimic nicotine withdrawal ...

 

You go girl, you got this..

 

Tonic water definitely helps with cramps so does eating a banana an hour before bedtime if you suffer through the night..

 

I'm down to 3 mugs of coffee a day (from10+ mugs), don't get caffeine any other way, looking to ditch my morning one as that's the one I'm most dependent on but not got a clue what to substitute it with...

[Stewie]

Ah! Ive been wanting to quit coffee for 2 years now, but every time i wake up im like "ok so whats the harm in one cup of coffee" or something similar. I never make it past the first day. Reckon, i never made a serious attempt either, but ill make it serious next 1th August.

 

Good luck lad.

[Sazerac]

Thanks y'all.  Thanks a lot for the support and the quinine !

I love coffee. 

I made my coffee so strong it was like syrup, a lb of cafe in 2 or 3 qts of cold water, leave over night and strain in muslin.

Drank it all day, every day, with milk and then with almond milk.

I definitely poisoned myself with caffeine for at least 30  Years with the strong stuff.

This was no average joe.

 

I am quitting caffeine and alcohol because of a scary blood pressure event.

Able to avert hospital with meds and knowledge from EMT friend.

Blood pressure now reasonable with little meds.

Coffee had a lot to do with this and I'm lucky I didn't stroke out.

They were horrible numbers.

 

The withdrawal is physically worse than nicotine.

Mentally, withdrawal is not as bad. 

Maybe not as bad because I fought so hard, mentally, with nicotine

that I learned how to switch up my thinking.

That and the threat of stroke is a huge motivator.

 

The decision has been made,  caffeine has to go.

Now, it's just living through the withdrawal.

Did I mention CRANKY ?  CRAMPS, and so, so tired.

I am having all the symptoms except nausea/vomiting

and feel lucky.

 

Good luck, Jo, Wee and Stewie.

If we quit nicotine....we can do anything.

Love you guys,

S

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2018 by Sazerac

[Sazerac]

From Healthline.com

 

9 Side Effects of Too Much Caffeine

 

1. Anxiety

Caffeine is known to increase alertness.

It works by blocking the effects of adenosine, a brain chemical that makes you feel tired. At the same time, it triggers the release of adrenaline, the “fight-or-flight” hormone associated with increased energy (8).

However, at higher doses, these effects may become more pronounced, leading to anxiety and nervousness.

In fact, caffeine-induced anxiety disorder is one of four caffeine-related syndromes listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), which is published by the American Psychiatric Association.

Extremely high daily intakes of 1,000 mg or more per day have been reported to cause nervousness, jitteriness and similar symptoms in most people, whereas even a moderate intake may lead to similar effects in caffeine-sensitive individuals (9, 10).

Additionally, modest doses have been shown to cause rapid breathing and increase stress levels when consumed in one sitting (11, 12).

One study in 25 healthy men found that those who ingested approximately 300 mg of caffeine experienced more than double the stress of those who took a placebo.

Interestingly, stress levels were similar between regular and less frequent caffeine consumers, suggesting the compound may have the same effect on stress levels regardless of whether you drink it habitually (12).

Nevertheless, these results are preliminary.

Coffee’s caffeine content is highly variable. For reference, a large (“grande”) coffee at Starbucks contains about 330 mg of caffeine.

If you notice that you often feel nervous or jittery, it might be a good idea to look at your caffeine intake and cut it back.

SUMMARY:Although low-to-moderate doses of caffeine can increase alertness, larger amounts may lead to anxiety or edginess. Monitor your own response in order to determine how much you can tolerate.

2. Insomnia

Caffeine’s ability to help people stay awake is one of its most prized qualities.

On the other hand, too much caffeine can make it difficult to get enough restorative sleep.

Studies have found that higher caffeine intake appears to increase the amount of time it takes to fall asleep. It may also decrease total sleeping time, especially in the elderly (13, 14).

By contrast, low or moderate amounts of caffeine don’t seem to affect sleep very much in people considered “good sleepers,” or even those with self-reported insomnia (15).

You may not realize that too much caffeine is interfering with your sleep if you underestimate the amount of caffeine you’re taking in.

Although coffee and tea are the most concentrated sources of caffeine, it is also found in soda, cocoa, energy drinks and several types of medication.

For example, an energy shot may contain up to 350 mg of caffeine, while some energy drinks provide as much as a whopping 500 mg per can (16).

Importantly, the amount of caffeine you can consume without affecting your sleep will depend on your genetics and other factors.

In addition, caffeine consumed later in the day may interfere with sleep because its effects can take several hours to wear off.

Research has shown that while caffeine remains in your system for an average of five hours, the time period may range from one and a half hours to nine hours, depending on the individual (17).

One study investigated how the timing of caffeine ingestion affects sleep. Researchers gave 12 healthy adults 400 mg of caffeine either six hours before bedtime, three hours before bedtime or immediately prior to bedtime.

Both the time it took all three groups to fall asleep and the time they spent awake at night increased significantly (18).

These results suggest that it’s important to pay attention to both the amount and timing of caffeine to optimize your sleep.

SUMMARY:Caffeine can help you stay awake during the day, but it may negatively impact your sleep quality and quantity. Cut off your caffeine consumption by the early afternoon to avoid sleeping problems.

3. Digestive Issues

Many people find that a morning cup of coffee helps get their bowels moving.

Coffee’s laxative effect has been attributed to the release of gastrin, a hormone the stomach produces that speeds up activity in the colon. What’s more, decaffeinated coffee has been shown to produce a similar response (19, 20, 21).

However, caffeine itself also seems to stimulate bowel movements by increasing peristalsis, the contractions that move food through your digestive tract (21).

Given this effect, it’s not surprising that large doses of caffeine may lead to loose stools or even diarrhea in some people.

Although for many years coffee was believed to cause stomach ulcers, a large study of more than 8,000 people didn’t find any link between the two (22).

On the other hand, some studies suggest that caffeinated beverages may worsen gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) in some people. This seems to be especially true of coffee (23, 24, 25).

In a small study, when five healthy adults drank caffeinated water, they experienced a relaxation of the muscle that keeps stomach contents from moving up into the throat — the hallmark of GERD (25).

Since coffee can have major effects on digestive function, you may want to cut back on the amount you drink or switch to tea if you experience any issues.

SUMMARY:Although small to moderate amounts of coffee can improve gut motility, larger dosages may lead to loose stools or GERD. Reducing your coffee intake or switching to tea may be beneficial.

4. Muscle Breakdown

Rhabdomyolysis is a very serious condition in which damaged muscle fibers enter the bloodstream, leading to kidney failure and other problems.

Common causes of rhabdomyolysis include trauma, infection, drug abuse, muscle strain and bites from poisonous snakes or insects.

In addition, there have been several reports of rhabdomyolysis related to excessive caffeine intake, although this is relatively rare (26, 27, 28, 29).

In one case, a woman developed nausea, vomiting and dark urine after drinking 32 ounces (1 liter) of coffee containing roughly 565 mg of caffeine. Fortunately, she recovered after being treated with medication and fluids (29).

Importantly, this is a large dosage of caffeine to consume within a short period of time, especially for someone who isn’t used to it or is highly sensitive to its effects.

In order to reduce the risk of rhabdomyolysis, it’s best to limit your intake to about 250 mg of caffeine per day, unless you’re used to consuming more.

SUMMARY:People may develop rhabdomyolysis, or the breakdown of damaged muscle, after they ingest large amounts of caffeine. Limit your intake to 250 mg per day if you’re uncertain of your tolerance.

5. Addiction

Despite all of caffeine’s health benefits, there’s no denying that it may become habit-forming.

A detailed review suggests that although caffeine triggers certain brain chemicals similarly to the way cocaine and amphetamines do, it does not cause classic addiction the way these drugs do (30).

However, it may lead to psychological or physical dependency, especially at high dosages.

In one study, 16 people who typically consumed high, moderate or no caffeine took part in a word test after going without caffeine overnight. Only high caffeine users showed a bias for caffeine-related words and had strong caffeine cravings (31).

Additionally, the frequency of caffeine intake seems to play a role in dependency.

In another study, 213 caffeine users completed questionnaires after going 16 hours without consuming it. Daily users had greater increases in headaches, fatigue and other withdrawal symptoms than non-daily users (32).

Even though the compound does not seem to cause true addiction, if you regularly drink a lot of coffee or other caffeinated beverages, there’s a very good chance you may become dependent on its effects.

SUMMARY:Going without caffeine for several hours may lead to psychological or physical withdrawal symptoms in those who consume large amounts on a daily basis.

6. High Blood Pressure

Overall, caffeine doesn’t seem to increase the risk of heart disease or stroke in most people.

However, it has been shown to raise blood pressure in several studies due to its stimulatory effect on the nervous system (33, 34, 35, 36).

Elevated blood pressure is a risk factor for heart attack and stroke because it may damage arteries over time, restricting the flow of blood to your heart and brain.

Fortunately, caffeine’s effect on blood pressure seems to be temporary. Also, it seems to have the strongest impact on people who aren’t used to consuming it.

High caffeine intake has also been shown to raise blood pressure during exercise in healthy people, as well as in those with mildly elevated blood pressure (37, 38).

Therefore, paying attention to the dosage and timing of caffeine is important, especially if you already have high blood pressure.

SUMMARY:Caffeine seems to raise blood pressure when consumed at high doses or prior to exercise, as well as in people who rarely consume it. But this effect may only be temporary, so it’s best to monitor your response.

7. Rapid Heart Rate

The stimulatory effects of high caffeine intake may cause your heart to beat faster.

It may also lead to altered heartbeat rhythm, called atrial fibrillation, which has been reported in young people who consumed energy drinks containing extremely high doses of caffeine (39).

In one case study, a woman who took a massive dose of caffeine powder and tablets in an attempted suicide developed a very rapid heart rate, kidney failure and other serious health issues (40).

However, this effect doesn’t seem to occur in everyone. Indeed, even some people with heart problems may be able to tolerate large amounts of caffeine without any adverse effects.

In one controlled study, when 51 heart failure patients consumed 100 mg of caffeine per hour for five hours, their heart rates and rhythms remained normal (41).

Regardless of the mixed study results, if you notice any changes in your heart rate or rhythm after drinking caffeinated beverages, consider decreasing your intake.

SUMMARY:Large doses of caffeine may increase heart rate or rhythm in some people. These effects appear to vary greatly from person to person. If you feel them, consider reducing your intake.

8. Fatigue

Coffee, tea and other caffeinated beverages are known to boost energy levels.

However, they can also have the opposite effect by leading to rebound fatigue after the caffeine leaves your system.

One review of 41 studies found that although caffeinated energy drinks increased alertness and improved mood for several hours, participants were often more tired than usual the following day (42).

Of course, if you continue to drink lots of caffeine throughout the day, you can avoid the rebound effect. On the other hand, this may affect your ability to sleep.

To maximize caffeine’s benefits on energy and avoid rebound fatigue, consume it in moderate rather than high doses.

SUMMARY:Although caffeine provides energy, it can indirectly lead to fatigue when its effects wear off. Aim for moderate caffeine intake to help minimize rebound fatigue.

9. Frequent Urination and Urgency

Increased urination is a common side effect of high caffeine intake due to the compound’s stimulatory effects on the bladder.

You may have noticed that you need to urinate frequently when you drink more coffee or tea than usual.

Most research looking at the compound’s effects on urinary frequency has focused on older people and those with overactive bladders or incontinence (43, 44, 45).

In one study, 12 young to middle-aged people with overactive bladders who consumed 2 mg of caffeine per pound (4.5 mg per kilogram) of body weight daily experienced significant increases in urinary frequency and urgency (44).

For someone weighing 150 pounds (58 kg), this would equate to about 300 mg of caffeine per day.

In addition, high intake may increase the likelihood of developing incontinence in people with healthy bladders.

One large study looked at the effects of high caffeine intake on incontinence in more than 65,000 women without incontinence.

Those who consumed more than 450 mg daily had a significantly increased risk of incontinence, compared to those who consumed less than 150 mg per day (45).

If you drink a lot of caffeinated beverages and feel that your urination is more frequent or urgent than it should be, it may be a good idea to cut back on your intake to see if your symptoms improve.

SUMMARY:High caffeine intake has been linked to increased urinary frequency and urgency in several studies. Reducing your intake may improve these symptoms.

The Bottom Line

Light-to-moderate caffeine intake seems to provide impressive health benefits in many people.

On the other hand, very high dosages may lead to side effects that interfere with day-to-day living and might even cause serious health issues.

Although responses vary from person to person, the effects of high intake demonstrate that more isn’t necessarily better.

To get the benefits of caffeine without undesirable effects, conduct an honest assessment of your sleep, energy levels and other factors that might be affected, and reduce your intake if needed.

An evidence-based nutrition article from our experts at Authority Nutrition.

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Written by Franziska Spritzler, RD, CDE on August 14, 2017

 

 

[notsmokinjo]

So since work finished I have cut down to 3-4 cups a day.... so still trying to cut it further but I now don't get a headache if I haven't had a coffee within 4 hours which was what I was.

 

Don't feel solid enough in my nicotine fight yet to face another so I'm working on it being the next addiction I toss.

[notsmokinjo]

Hope your going well though Saz.... you are my role model with this... sending you all the positive quit energy I can.

 

Sorry about the health scare too... how lucky though that you had already given up smokes... hope removing the caffeine from your diet improves the blood pressure problems.

[Sazerac]

43 minutes ago, notsmokinjo said:

Hope your going well though Saz.... you are my role model with this... sending you all the positive quit energy I can.

 

Sorry about the health scare too... how lucky though that you had already given up smokes... hope removing the caffeine from your diet improves the blood pressure problems.

 

 

I think cutting back is a brilliant idea, Jo. 

Personally, I have no moderation and it is too late what with the scary numbers.

Watch out for aspirin with caffeine, soda, of course..even green tea....all sorts of other crap too.  It is ubiquitous. 

 

I am as cranky as I was with cigarettes.  The physical shit sucks and can last days, weeks, months (anecdotal evidence).

Listless and so so so tired.  

 

Thank you for all your energy, I want you to know how much it means....how much it helps, really helps.  You are a star.

 

Here is a link to 'Caffeine Use Disorder:  A Comprehensive Review and Research Agenda for all the science nerds.

I'll post more as I find them.

 

.

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2018 by Sazerac

[PeaceTrain]

You are making a very wise decision, Saz!  I quit caffeine over 20 years ago because of terrible symptoms no doctor could diagnose:  rapid heartbeat, anxiety attacks, insomnia, can't even remember what else. It all seems so obvious now but 20 years ago not one of the at least 4 doctors I saw asked me about caffeine consumption.  Cold-brew like you've been doing was not a thing back then but I drank black coffee from morning till night.  It was only after reading a book on my own about the elimination diet that a lightbulb switched on and the first item I eliminated was caffeine. 

 

Youre right that withdrawal is no joke but hang in there.  As I recall it did not last more than 7-10 days and then it was completely gone and I felt 100% better. I haven't touched it since unless by the hand of a careless server who gives me regular instead of decaf in which case I find out pretty quickly and spend one sleepless night with heart palpitations, preceded by a brief period of euphoria which ifeels great at the time but I realize it's a harbinger for the ensuing  jitters.  I know that decaf has some % of caffeine depending on the brand, but I'm ok with it.  You'll have to see how you do. Too much chocolate can also be an issue but for me a little is ok. 

 

Best st of luck!  After you get through this tough time, you'll feel so much better. 

[Sazerac]

10 hours ago, PeaceTrain said:

You are making a very wise decision, Saz!  I quit caffeine over 20 years ago because of terrible symptoms no doctor could diagnose:  rapid heartbeat, anxiety attacks, insomnia, can't even remember what else. It all seems so obvious now but 20 years ago not one of the at least 4 doctors I saw asked me about caffeine consumption.  Cold-brew like you've been doing was not a thing back then but I drank black coffee from morning till night.  It was only after reading a book on my own about the elimination diet that a lightbulb switched on and the first item I eliminated was caffeine. 

 

Youre right that withdrawal is no joke but hang in there.  As I recall it did not last more than 7-10 days and then it was completely gone and I felt 100% better. I haven't touched it since unless by the hand of a careless server who gives me regular instead of decaf in which case I find out pretty quickly and spend one sleepless night with heart palpitations, preceded by a brief period of euphoria which ifeels great at the time but I realize it's a harbinger for the ensuing  jitters.  I know that decaf has some % of caffeine depending on the brand, but I'm ok with it.  You'll have to see how you do. Too much chocolate can also be an issue but for me a little is ok. 

 

Best st of luck!  After you get through this tough time, you'll feel so much better. 

 

Thank you so much, PeaceTrain.  Your experience gives me hope and confidence.

Health issues aside, I wasn't looking forward to feeling so much better after the detoxification but, now have something to look forward to.

We'll have a toast, Peace...a glass of tonic for the spazzy old crank with the exploding head and something delicious for you....a homemade lemonade ?

 

I'm on my fourth or fifth day.  Cramps/headache are not as extreme. I am the biotch of the Universe.

 

[Stewie]

Well sometimes you gotta be the biotch of the universe; on some things there is really no gain without some pain. Keep at it lad. Looking forward to quitting coffee and alcohol on august 1st. Well we can be coffee buddies! :´D

[Sazerac]

3 hours ago, StewieTech said:

Well sometimes you gotta be the biotch of the universe; on some things there is really no gain without some pain. Keep at it lad. Looking forward to quitting coffee and alcohol on august 1st. Well we can be coffee buddies! :´D

 

 

I maybe shouldn't be enjoying being a btich so much, Stewie.  LOL. 

I have quit alcohol along with the cafe.  

 

You will be able to quit alcohol and caffeine, Stewie. 

You quit smoking and you are a powerful mf-er, you little pork chop you.

I'm proud you are my buddy and look forward to your August blast off.

Will you be able to take time away from work/family/friends ?

No sudden moves and nobody gets hurt....ha ha ha ha ha.

 

Quitting caffeine would be really hard if I had to be somebody....like go to an office or something.

 

Edited July 25, 2018 by Sazerac

[Stewie]

Screw august 1st, im doing it tommorow. Will have my last coffee 9pm, in about 1.5 hours. Im with you right behind lad.

[Stewie]

Screw 9pm im drinking my last coffee now and ill be right with you lad! :´D

[notsmokinjo]

Way to go Jazzy Sazzy and Pork Chop.... so I have been alcohol free for 6 years and found that hardest part of that was explaining why I didn't want a drink... still cutting down the smokes so that is will be my post Lido deck goal.... I'll be honest I am not sure I will be able to go caffeine free but I want to so that's a start... and I have cut down.... so baby steps.

 

 

[Stewie]

Good lord, the withdrawal is real. I am in a bit of pain right now. I want my coffee so bad  gonna persevere though

[notsmokinjo]

You can do it Pork Chop.... one day at a time.... Saz is at day 6 and says it gets easier...you don't need it mate. All the power to you.

 

Here is a cuddle just for you...

 

[Stewie]

Aww thanks buttocks. You are a sweetie.

[Sazerac]

Thinking of you, Pork Chop.

Hope your belly and head are OK.

 

I think this is my fifth day and the headache/cramps are subsiding with time and walks and heating pads.

Yesterday, I had a Celebrex and was druggy happy nothing hurt at all. la la la la la la la.

Today, nothing is hurting, poo-ing is getting better.

I took laxatives and stool softener.

Digestive tract issues and headache and IRRITABILITY are my main issues.

 

I am relying on PeaceTrain's experience that everything is better without Caffeine.

She does not lie.

 

Hey Pork Chop !

You don't need no stinking caffeine anymore.

Why just think of the beautiful temple, no SHRINE, your body is going to be clear of nicotine/caffeine/alcohol.

Hang in there, bebe.

Edited July 26, 2018 by Sazerac

[JB 883]

Quitting tobacco is great.

 

However, giving up everything else that is not good for us and it comes to a point where one would have nothing left to enjoy.

 

I mean yeah after nicotine, one could give up alcohol, other drugs, caffeine, sugar, marijuana, internet forums, being out in the sun, watching TV, sleeping late...

I think most humans have at least a few of those addictions. My big ones are excessive sleep and way too much sugar.

Of course there are the non-physical goals people strive for like saving more money, paying off debt, going back to school, losing weight, or whatever.

 

At what point does it go from living to merely existing? People are happy for a little while in the aforementioned pursuits but so many relapse to their old ways. Why? Cause the road to hell is paved with good intentions. "Oh but you were doing so good..." Yeah but he/she wasn't happy.

 

I am not trying to be smart alec here, just wondering why people seek out ways to torture themselves.

[Doreensfree]

This would be hard for me...I do love dearly my morning coffee...

Good luck guys x

[Stewie]

3 hours ago, Jetblack said:

Quitting tobacco is great.

 

However, giving up everything else that is not good for us and it comes to a point where one would have nothing left to enjoy.

 

I mean yeah after nicotine, one could give up alcohol, other drugs, caffeine, sugar, marijuana, internet forums, being out in the sun, watching TV, sleeping late...

I think most humans have at least a few of those addictions. My big ones are excessive sleep and way too much sugar.

Of course there are the non-physical goals people strive for like saving more money, paying off debt, going back to school, losing weight, or whatever.

 

At what point does it go from living to merely existing? People are happy for a little while in the aforementioned pursuits but so many relapse to their old ways. Why? Cause the road to hell is paved with good intentions. "Oh but you were doing so good..." Yeah but he/she wasn't happy.

 

I am not trying to be smart alec here, just wondering why people seek out ways to torture themselves.

 

Im quitting coffee because it is an addition and i do not like to being addicted to substances. I get your point though.

[WeegieWoman]

Ive quit coffee for lent a few times, with ease. Felt no withdrawals. I am not addicted to coffee. Im a three cups a day gal. I do get jbs point and have made the point before there is such a thing as sex addicts, should we give that up too?

ABSOLUTELY if you are having health problems which you think coffee might not be helping, go for it. But otherwise, id keep enjoying ya coffee. 

[Reciprocity]

Yes you need to enjoy your life and if quitting too many things you previously enjoyed is making your life miserable then by all means don't get rid of it all at once. I think what these people are saying though is that they are tackling these other habits/addictions that they feel are causing them some degree of harm one at a time and learning over time to live comfortably without them just as most of us have done when we quit smoking. Bite off only what you can chew so to speak without making yourself too miserable for too long.